Your spending can get out of control if you let one favorite model control you. This is probably why Pay 4 Play has a limit. Too bad there is no timer on our end to watch what we spend. We have to watch our own clocks. I know the models see the time, I see them glancing at it. They glance at three things. The clock, the porn they are watching and our typing screen. If they are good at acting, they glance at the Cam2Cam and pretend they like our appearance. So that's 4 things.
Oh there's the 5th thing...their phone, they glance to see if their girlfriend is calling them.
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Before you throw your whole bank account at some guy here that is virtual at most, here is a sobering revelation for you. Most of these guys are here straight. After reading about it and talking to so many of them, that list of straight guys includes most of the porn stars that are here on the site. They have a job to do, that is to get you off. At the end of the day, they have their own lives, and they try to forget things some of the things that they subject themselves to here. Really, the "I love you's", the "relationships", the promises of eventual reunions only exist in the viewers hopeful mind. Watch your expenses and just enjoy the sights. Quote

MPV above. Taliban? How did you find out? There are a lot of stories told here. A lot to get attention or keep private lives private. Tristan,if you are talking about Freddy M , when you were in his show it was all you. If you had watched any of his VOD's when he had then available, all the viewers got the same talk, he was going to meet you when he was finally done here. He had a bigger and better plan for himself than being here if you ever spoke to him. He's gone dude, we were just a stepping stone to his next adventure. Quote

It's fun to think we can have a relationship with one of these attractive guys. But you have to pinch yourself and wake up at the end fo the private. Reality can suck but you have to go with it.
BTW, this model, "F.M.", he's doing great and is alive and well. He just decided to take off and we are not on his mind, sorry dude. That is the power of social media. It is confirmed by his model friends as well. And the photos of him outside of here, are totally not even close to what he portrays here. His hair is totally cropped off. Tough guy, flipping off the camera and a completely different person.
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Some performers like Freddy McQueen keep you coming back to them by suggesting that he will meet you and be with you when he "finishes" his cam-boy career. You could see him tell his viewers this in his VOD's when he had them available. He "whispers" little love comments and emojis when you are in public chat so you can feel special while he is talking to everyone. Viewers that want the "boyfriend experience" fall for it and hold out for him. He has that seductive seemingly innocent manner and that pleading tone so you want to believe him. You feel a longing for something when you finish the show. He has honed in and perfected this performance over the year since he started.

Performers like Tim Moffie keep their viewers coming back because Tim is just a nice guy, fun, doesn't make any long term plans and he just has a great time entertaining. He has that great laugh, and the silly banter of the guy that you want to spend time with because he makes you feel good about yourself. He is seductive in his own lovable way but he always wants you to be happy and not so serious. He accepts everyone and I love the way he is nonjudgmental and caring of all people by the way he talks about everyone. You feel great and energized when the private is done.

I would have to say that Jerome Exupery was a lot like Tim Moffie. He was all about "let's have fun", then it's done, but we are still friends. Quote

My final input on this string for member, "St...r". In speaking to the good friend from the hometown of this model that has left you suddenly, this model, as good an actor as he was in porn and here in the chat rooms, is in a relationship with a girl and is pursuing a new career.
Your tips and privates, our tips and privates, launched him out of his poverty and he is able to go after other goals in his life. Good for him.
Maybe he will need to come back, maybe not. If he does, I have kindly given you the information you need so you don't get attached to him.
We all know you were his number 1 and you spent almost every day he was here with him. But he really did you wrong.

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Lesson learned. These are all mostly straight boys on cam willing to be exhibitionists and virtual boyfriends for money that prey on our lack of the same much needed attention in real life. Have fun but don't hand them your wallets no matter what they promise. Just like a strip joint, but they don't need bouncers to stave off their stalkers. They just give out layers of fake names. I'm not really Freddy, you can call me by my real name....Justin....Oh...did someone just call me another name from the studio door?.....That is just a code name... Quote

Lesson learned. These are all mostly straight boys on cam willing to be exhibitionists and virtual boyfriends for money that prey on our lack of the same much needed attention in real life. Have fun but don't hand them your wallets no matter what they promise. Just like a strip joint, but they don't need bouncers to stave off their stalkers. They just give out layers of fake names. I'm not really Freddy, you can call me by my real name....Justin....Oh...did someone just call me another name from the studio door?.....That is just a code name...
Exactly. I might add a caution not to give your own real name and information out as well. I've felt the unfortunate consequences of doing that. Most of the guys here don't mean any harm, but the site is for performance and fantasy. It's a playground, but it can become something negative if we forget that.

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Exactly. I might add a caution not to give your own real name and information out as well. I've felt the unfortunate consequences of doing that. Most of the guys here don't mean any harm, but the site is for performance and fantasy. It's a playground, but it can become something negative if we forget that.




First of all so cool to see a posting reply from Kfinch. While the site is something of a fantasy zone there are always special surprises to be found with both members and performers. It is generally easy to separate the good performers from those who are here for just one purpose. Not putting down those performers who need the financial support, but rather to let one know the site can be an interesting location if you treat everyone with respect.
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First of all so cool to see a posting reply from Kfinch. While the site is something of a fantasy zone there are always special surprises to be found with both members and performers. It is generally easy to separate the good performers from those who are here for just one purpose. Not putting down those performers who need the financial support, but rather to let one know the site can be an interesting location if you treat everyone with respect.
I pop in periodically, fish. Hope you've been well. You've been on the site longer than I, and have seen all kinds of changes. Respect remains a goal but caution is a good one to keep in mind too. Quote

I pop in periodically, fish. Hope you've been well. You've been on the site longer than I, and have seen all kinds of changes. Respect remains a goal but caution is a good one to keep in mind too.

Hey Kfinch cool to know you pop onto the site every so often. Sort of wish you had kept your twitter and hope one day you will be back to tweeting. Miss you a lot my dear sweet Finch.

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Hey Kfinch cool to know you pop onto the site every so often. Sort of wish you had kept your twitter and hope one day you will be back to tweeting. Miss you a lot my dear sweet Finch.
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Exactly. I might add a caution not to give your own real name and information out as well. I've felt the unfortunate consequences of doing that. Most of the guys here don't mean any harm, but the site is for performance and fantasy. It's a playground, but it can become something negative if we forget that.



Yes, KFinches, it is nice to see input from a veteran member whose postings or replies I loved to read when I was new.

Most guys do not mean harm, but beware to new members, I was almost scammed by a model who has left now 4 years ago.

Same story here, we met, I "fell" for him, I become number 1 for him, private almost everyday, sometimes 2 or 3...
We become friends, and of course, he hated the studio's cut of his earnings. He one day in private gave me his outside information.

We talked some on Skype, luckily, I was too shy to be on screen. He started talking about how we should meet. He was single, and supposedly he loved me, etc. and he was in need of cash. I was really close to "helping him out".

He got naked and jerked off and pretended he was "making love" for me, but I never paid him off this site although he sent me his pay pal information in case I could ever help him. I had sent him photos of my unattractive self and he claimed because of my personality, he was jerking off to my photo. I thought we were not about money. Then I saw a change in his behavior.

One day, he snatched what appeared to be an article of clothing off his bed and I asked him what it was and he was evasive.

Another day he fell asleep on screen while we were talking, he was sick when I called. I waited 5 minutes for him to awaken, and I was about to call on his phone to Russia to wake him up when a woman's voice called into the room calling him by his real name. I saw a shadow turn off the screen.

Originally here, his name was his F4F name. Then he told me on the outside it was Oleg. All of a sudden, it was Alexandre.

I searched other sites and I found out he was broadcasting on at least three other sites on his own outside of F4F. I found him on social media by using clues off the Paypal account.

Sure enough, just like the model we are talking about here, (F.M.), Alexandre has a life totally different and private than what is portrayed here. Alexandre is as straight as can be. I saw him in rock concerts flipping off his friend's cameras. I saw lovely photos of his darling. I saw so many things in just half a dozen photos that crushed my lonely, desperate heart. My ears burned for days. I was one year into this site and I was already duped.

Alexandre tried a couple of emails to communicate with me but I ignored them. I suppose I could have responded angrily but for what?

As for the F4F member, "S", yes, F.M., has just moved on. For better or worse his porn films will come out soon, as his preview photos of the filming are on the top two social media sites already. I also found his real Slovak name, it is not what he calls himself here in private, not after his favorite Canadian singer(supposedly). LOL, OMG no, his name is very Slovak.

See they all have layer upon layer of masquerades. But then...so do we. They want their privacy, so do we.

Ah, also, the power of loose tongues and social media. F.M. has shaved off his lovely locks completely into a skin head look, acts thuggish, and has a girlfriend. F.M. is a trained actor that portrays this character, "F.M.". Once when he was playing with his camera in a private, showing his body, I got a glimpse of a woman in racy red underwear sucking a dick on his porn watching screen. Almost all of them are straight. You should enjoy them only here when they strip and jerk off .

I am sure there are models who are duped by members as well, by members who fail to give promised tips, promised encounters that never transpire, members who just disappear. But getting attached on either side, member or model, is never a great idea. I am sure that is in fine print somewhere.

"S", I feel I am the one who is stupid, I was fooled by a guy named Alexandre who wasn't even trained at all. I guess in a way I was fooled again into this pseudo-friendship with F.M. along with you.






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Exactly. I might add a caution not to give your own real name and information out as well. I've felt the unfortunate consequences of doing that. Most of the guys here don't mean any harm, but the site is for performance and fantasy. It's a playground, but it can become something negative if we forget that.

(From OlivierArnot)
Yes, KFinches, it is nice to see input from a veteran member whose postings or replies I loved to read when I was new.

Most guys do not mean harm, but beware to new members, I was almost scammed by a model who has left now 4 years ago.

Same story here, we met, I "fell" for him, I become number 1 for him, private almost everyday, sometimes 2 or 3...
We become friends, and of course, he hated the studio's cut of his earnings. He one day in private gave me his outside information...


Wow, OlivierArnot, what a journey with Alexandre that he took you on.

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This is breaking my heart. There should be a warning on the site, but then profits might go down. I found out a few years ago the forum isn't visible through affiliate sites, but only when you log in from Flirt4Free. I don't know if that's still true. The benefit from our experiences is that now we know the pitfalls. We can be informed consumers and protect ourselves from sob stories and attempts to "get to know us better". Protect your hearts, wallet, and information. Performers have no obligation to give us accurate information, but neither do we. I'd blow a kiss, but there's no kiss emoji. Quote

This is breaking my heart. There should be a warning on the site, but then profits might go down. I found out a few years ago the forum isn't visible through affiliate sites, but only when you log in from Flirt4Free. I don't know if that's still true. The benefit from our experiences is that now we know the pitfalls. We can be informed consumers and protect ourselves from sob stories and attempts to "get to know us better". Protect your hearts, wallet, and information. Performers have no obligation to give us accurate information, but neither do we. I'd blow a kiss, but there's no kiss emoji.


KSFinches, as long as there are members around that we can relate to, members like you that understand why we are here and who know why we stumble and give support in some way in the end, and even if it is just a kind word, it is helpful. We can get really carried away with our virtual lovers and perhaps this forum is the only way we can talk amongst ourselves to give input and advice. We are all adults and we know what we are getting into here, but when alone with someone in a chatroom, we can lose sight of reality in our emotional bliss as those endorphins fuel our brains when our "sexual fantasy and needs" are stimulated by someone who might not otherwise in real life even acknowledge our existence in a room full of people.

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KSFinches, as long as there are members around that we can relate to, members like you that understand why we are here and who know why we stumble and give support in some way in the end, and even if it is just a kind word, it is helpful. We can get really carried away with our virtual lovers and perhaps this forum is the only way we can talk amongst ourselves to give input and advice. We are all adults and we know what we are getting into here, but when alone with someone in a chatroom, we can lose sight of reality in our emotional bliss as those endorphins fuel our brains when our "sexual fantasy and needs" are stimulated by someone who might not otherwise in real life even acknowledge our existence in a room full of people.




OlivierArnot those were some awesome and well spoken words and yes members like KSfinches make the site an awesome place. Any performer on the site should cherish the time she takes merely to be in the room.
Have to say it is awesome to see so much support for fellow site members.

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This is breaking my heart. There should be a warning on the site, but then profits might go down. I found out a few years ago the forum isn't visible through affiliate sites, but only when you log in from Flirt4Free. I don't know if that's still true. The benefit from our experiences is that now we know the pitfalls. We can be informed consumers and protect ourselves from sob stories and attempts to "get to know us better". Protect your hearts, wallet, and information. Performers have no obligation to give us accurate information, but neither do we. I'd blow a kiss, but there's no kiss emoji.


Kfinches, there is a lot of oversight from the big porn studio on this site and the bosses of the individual places are involved in setting goals, making their models enter contests even thought they were to get the day off, or even have vacations set. I have been sent messages from my friend models that they were made to stay in the studio even though they had said they would see me in a few days the day before. One model was to take off for 2 weeks with his family during Cinco de Mayo, and he had to catch up with them one week later. There is a pressure to get us to help the bosses milk the credits during contests. There is a pressure for them to make credits or leave, or rather that is what I was told once by two of their top models. The pressure to deceive us and become our "Romeos" is also higher up. I got disgusted at this particular model, that has left, the one that we are talking about in this thread back in May when he kept badgering me to make deals so he could win contests. I was one of his top spenders then. The deals stunk. I was asked to forward thousands of credits for a free show later. You would have to pay full price for 10 minutes then his motivation to give it his all was gone. I finally had it on the last day he asked me because I was busy at work and I kept asking him when he would return, and he said something to the tune of when you make a deal with me, I'll give you my schedule. Needless to say, I decided to retire him on my list. He had started out as a seemingly nice youthful guy, and as soon as he saw how he could generate cash with his ohmi, he changed and became cash hungry propping up his legs in the air even in public chats with numerous party chats for the ohmi to get buzzed. I haven't really been so motivated to get into it since.


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Kfinches, there is a lot of oversight from the big porn studio on this site and the bosses of the individual places are involved in setting goals, making their models enter contests even thought they were to get the day off, or even have vacations set. (abbreviated quote)

All of the performers are on site to make money, and some like the one you're talking about, Paul, get a lot of pressure from studios and have other financial needs. A lot of them are in dire straits. We're in a kind of buyer beware situation, but sometimes we forget we are in fact 'buying' time and attention. One of the first guys I did a show with said, "You're on this site, Toots, something isn't working in your life. Be careful." I appreciated his advice and promptly forgot it. Sex, adrenaline, attention from these gorgeous men and we get addicted and attached. It's all understandable. We're not prepared for the power of the appeal and get overwhelmed and become vulnerable. I'm still friendly with four performers who have always been honest about the fact that they're performing. One helped me extricate myself from a particularly dicey situation. There are some really great guys here who are careful of their fans and patrons. There are others who take advantage, and still others who get too attached themselves and get hurt when fans move on. Whether fleeting, enduing, pleasurable, or ultimately hurtful, they are relationships of a kind. Hard to negotiate it all. Quote